The Doctor Is In

@kdfrawg yeah basically. I don't think it's that she's actually bisexual. She was very clear in her talk. This is a story that's repeated so many times for so many gay women I know. I think there is so much pressure to conform to society, and in Australia there is no gay marriage and reproductive technology is available but adoption isn't or something. It's actually a very conservative and homophobic society when you compare with similar countries. Plus it's actually hard to find women to date! There is a lot of bullshit in the scene.

Anyway one of my bisexual friends got angry with me for my above perspective, saying something about "people judging gay women for hooking up with men" but that is her own shit, about feeling like she has something to prove as she's bi and hasn't had any long term relationships with women. I really should have countered with saying that when I was a lady, I was under the same pressures and it was pretty depressing when I ended up with a guy.

@kdfrawg I love that whole series of airline bathroom selfies! So clever

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@kdfrawg @streakmachine it's pretty deceptively amazing.

@kdfrawg YEAH WELL I HAVE DEMENTIA BUT IRREGARDLESS I'M STILL RIGHT, EVEN SOMEONE WITH DEMENTIA CAN TELL

// @streakmachine

@kdfrawg haha it's almost like a Taylor Swift song

@kdfrawg yeah ridiculous class differences that persist from feudalism onwards. I mean that's a bit of an exaggeration, but it seems there hasn't been enough in the way of equalling out incomes and assets with social policy? Maybe that's what one gets from having an upper house consisting partially of the aristocracy tho. Idk, how do the hereditary peers tend to vote?

// @hazardwarning @neilco @ukhaiku

@tomas Allegedly Cameron tried, and got an excellent deal, apparently, which basically seemed to change nothing. He said that if he didn't get what he wanted, he would recommend leaving. A lot of people believe he got nothing, not even anything based on his heavily watered-down "demands". Therefore they felt lied to, so voted out to punish him. As Neil says, quite likely a fair number of those people voted without a full understanding of the implications. The remain side clearly didn't manage to promote the value of being in the EU - as with Clinton in the US, the referendum was theirs to lose, and they did so. People should have leant towards the status quo, ought to have been an easy win. They ran a negative campaign, trying to scare people into voting remain and it simply didn't work. Nobody believes politicians any more.
I have seen some quite blinkered views, but also reasoned decisions on both sides of the argument. Personally, I was very much in favour of the common market, still am, but I am very much opposed to the federal EU state as it stands at the moment, or as it wants to become. But nobody seems prepared to move from their respective standpoints, or even attempt to understand the (quite possibly misguided) anger and dissatisfaction that exists in certain parts of the UK. Calling people stupid ain't the way to go, either.

// @neilco @ukhaiku

@tomas
Part of the problem is that this, in part at least, represents a pressure cooker that's been simmering for a while. It includes many issues that are nothing to do with EU (but for which they've been a useful scapegoat in domestic politics), but also some very valid criticism of how the EU is run, and its overall demeanour. Its treatment of Greece was particularly appalling - to some degree the institutions have forgotten 'why' the EU should exist..
// @hazardwarning @neilco

@hazardwarning nods

// @neilco @ukhaiku

@ukhaiku ugh IKR re the austerity

// @hazardwarning @neilco